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 6/8/2009 5:08 AM
 
Project goals  (N/A)
 Modified By Santa  on 6/8/2009 2:20:39 PM
The top goals as I see them are designing a gun that is fairly easily constructed in a small workshop and then have the project members working on improving the design.

/Mike S
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 6/8/2009 5:20 AM
 
Another vision is listing resellers of parts and kits on this portal, and have customer ratings and reviews available for each of them.

/Mike S
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 7/21/2009 7:05 AM
 
Re: Project goals  (United States)

You don't mention design ownership. Who owns the resulting gun, design, or patentable ideas generated by your project? If someone posts an idea, who owns it? Can they produce and sell it? Can others? You imply that it is 'open source', but that only referes to software. And, then, it is just shorthand for a complex set of criteria involving licensing and intellectual property rights.

Before people begin submitting ideas I suggest that you specify who owns what. This has been dealt with before, so no need to reinvent the wheel. See the GNU Free Documentation License for starters. There are others that might fit your project better. I know I won't be posting anything until this is dealt with. Right now, a manufacturer could take my idea, profit from it, and I wouldn't have any recourse to stop them.

 

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 8/6/2009 2:32 AM
 
Re: Project goals  (United Kingdom)

Ownership must be a matter for those who wish to disclose anything.  If you have a patenable invention it is essential that you obtain your own protection by filing a patent application before making any public disclosure or any rights will be lost.  USA has laws that differ from all other countries in the world in this respect, but the general rule is don't even tell your best friend what it is before you have filed a patent application.

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 8/7/2009 3:45 AM
 
Re: Project goals  (Sweden)

I would like the basic gun to be free for everyone to make and even sell, then If someone is creating or inventing better parts, it is up to the if they want to donate the design of these parts to the project or manufacture and sell them by themselves. How to regulate this by a licence I don't know, personaly I'm not in it for the money.

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 8/11/2009 12:05 AM
 
Re: Project goals  (United States)
 Modified By spazzytroy  on 8/11/2009 10:17:12 PM

Perhaps a 100% 'redesign' of a platform already available would meet that kind of description. Suppose we make a schematic for an aluminum breech for a 13xx. This could be coupled with a 13xx/22xx PCP conversion, one we design and release as an open schematic. Finally add to that a 13xx 2 stage trigger schematic and you have a functional pistol you've made in your shop. I think this woud be capable with only a lathe + milling capability, or a separate mill. The hurdle would probably be tooling up on a budget.

With this setup there is no risk of the base design getting stolen since we're just making custom parts. The parts of this pistol are both simple and small lending themselves to home shop machining. On top of that, it seems we have forum members very familiar with this family of airguns  =)  I think this might be a way to get parts on paper quickly and generate interest in the forum and future projects.

 

Onto a different topic. I came here hunting for an open source design for a FT or 10m match PCP rifle design to use as a test bed for some ultra low muzzle energy long range testing. (~2J muzzle energy) I thought HM Buckley's MPA design would be the perfect thing for me until I saw the price tag. Nearly $80 to get it, and thats if you can even find somone who has one. As a student that was out of my reach. I'd also like to see how more advanced structures work like active stabilizers, methods for reducing movement inside the action before the shot, and quality in tank regulators. I realize a lot of the challenge of this would be not how they work, but how to build them in the home shop. (electronic trigger? now im dreaming)

Just some ideas I've had bouncing around since its late

 

EDIT: After I woke up I remembered something I forgot to mention. I'm not sure designing the pistol and then trying to add features is thte right way to go about it. I think some of the features we want to add might end up dictating the size/shape of a particular part and this could be problematic. Perhaps a different way to go about doing this would be to identify features from other highly respected platforms and decide how this could be implemented. Someone already mentioned this but I felt like it needed to be emphasized.

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 8/12/2009 5:34 AM
 
Re: Project goals  (Sweden)

I really don't see a problem in the base design getting “stolen” If a company can produce the base gun in good quality to a reasonable price I think they should be encouraged to do so.

But if the company on the other hand does include a part that was originally created as a custom part by someone else, they are stealing that persons ideas. The same problems faces makers of custom parts for the Crosmans, but it is not really a problem for the project as I see it, although we wouldn’t probably advertise or link to the companies that would behave like that.

 

/Mike S

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 11/10/2009 7:07 PM
 
Re: Project goals  (Canada)
 Modified By AGD  on 6/29/2010 3:28:33 AM

Hello everyone,

I changed my mind about being involved, nothing seems to be happening with this project.

Good luck for those who are staying with it.

AGD

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